<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for Varnelis › The Immediated Now</title>
	<atom:link href="http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org</link>
	<description>Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:28:44 -0800</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by On Adam Curtis’s Century of the Self. This is the first... &#124; varnelis.net</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>On Adam Curtis’s Century of the Self. This is the first... &#124; varnelis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-103</guid>
		<description>[...] has become a major cultural form in network culture, something I cover in my article on the immediated now.   Feed: tumblr [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has become a major cultural form in network culture, something I cover in my article on the immediated now.   Feed: tumblr [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality &#8211; Networked &#8211; Excerpts &#171; Recombinant-TMA : Tactical Media Activism</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality &#8211; Networked &#8211; Excerpts &#171; Recombinant-TMA : Tactical Media Activism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-102</guid>
		<description>[...] The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality &#8211; Networked &#8211;&#160;Excerpts [Excerpts related to Tactical Media Activism, Appropriation Art and Remix - LINK] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality &#8211; Networked &#8211;&nbsp;Excerpts [Excerpts related to Tactical Media Activism, Appropriation Art and Remix - LINK] [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by This is the first episode of Alan Curtis’s the Century of... &#124; varnelis.net</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>This is the first episode of Alan Curtis’s the Century of... &#124; varnelis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-101</guid>
		<description>[...] has become a major cultural form in network culture, something I cover in my article on the immediated now.  Printer-friendly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has become a major cultural form in network culture, something I cover in my article on the immediated now.  Printer-friendly [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by inaornament</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>inaornament</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-87</guid>
		<description>Is very true that ‘’digital technology is an unmistakable presence’’ in   our life, but my concern is still traditions. 
Do you really forgot “traditional art “or maybe you never know about it. What about art before 1900? Is only in the gallery? Who still experiment and research this old technique?
 Art it been connected with technology because is “networked art”.  I feel lost in this “networked art” and I still believe   in “Books on Technique” and “The language of Art History”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is very true that ‘’digital technology is an unmistakable presence’’ in   our life, but my concern is still traditions.<br />
Do you really forgot “traditional art “or maybe you never know about it. What about art before 1900? Is only in the gallery? Who still experiment and research this old technique?<br />
 Art it been connected with technology because is “networked art”.  I feel lost in this “networked art” and I still believe   in “Books on Technique” and “The language of Art History”.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by Weird Fiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nourishing the Non-Normative Neuroaesthete</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird Fiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nourishing the Non-Normative Neuroaesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-69</guid>
		<description>[...] entrance to this and other realms&#8212;including prominently the panopticonscious lifeworld of the immediated real. Alternate universes open up in the inframince, like an obliterati&#8217;s escape mechanisms made [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] entrance to this and other realms&#8212;including prominently the panopticonscious lifeworld of the immediated real. Alternate universes open up in the inframince, like an obliterati&#8217;s escape mechanisms made [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by Simon Biggs</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Biggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-65</guid>
		<description>Hayles concept of &quot;born digital is useful in contextualising what Jodi might have meant when they spoke of &quot;net.artists living on the net&quot;. Prior to a certain point in time artists working with computers and associated communications technologies came to this practice from other media, employing frameworks and criteria imported from other contexts. At some point this changed and a generation of artists emerged who had always worked with digital and networked media. This didn&#039;t happen in a simple linear manner. Nor did developments occur at the same time, or in the same way, for the various aspects of what are now, but what were not previously, related media (computers and telecommuniciations only got substantially together in the 1980&#039;s).

There were a small number of artists working in the 1970&#039;s who started out in their practice using digital systems, even a few in the 1960&#039;s. There were, similarly, a small number of artists who emerged in the 80&#039;s who were using networks from the start. Bunting is an example of this ­although his early network practices did not engage the internet but telephone networks. Paul Sermon is another (very different) example. However, the emergence of a generation of network savvy artists, with a culture attached, didn&#039;t begin until well into the 1990&#039;s. The associated buzz, involving the engagement of theorists and cultural commentators, intensified after that time. In this sense I&#039;d assess Varnelis&#039;s observation that these technologies &quot;cultural implications (were) confined to niche realms for enthusiasts&quot; more or less correct ­ although I¹d move the dates back a little to the early 90&#039;s or even the late 1980&#039;s and identify 1993 as they key year in terms of impact, when the first web browser (Mosaic) became publicly available.

There were a series of events and developments, in the late 1980&#039;s, when the key players in what was to emerge in the 1990¹s, with net.art and related practices, started to meet, communicate directly with one another and inform each other&#039;s work. It is no accident that many of these people were Eastern or Central European or were based in what had been cold-war border cities, like Berlin and Ljubljana. A few of these artists did replay historical tropes. Shulgin&#039;s playful refigurings of Suprematism is an example, although as much concerned with developing a commentary on his personal sense of national heritage at a time of social turbulence, post 1989, than formal art-historical deconstruction. It can be argued that the emergence of new medialities and formal frameworks are often associated with artists revisiting the past. Picasso&#039;s confluence of Cubism and African art is perhaps an example. Again, it would be dangerous to consider this as simply or even primarily formal aesthetic experiment. Picasso, like Shulgin, lived in a social and political context and he drew inspiration from the excitement and conflict he experienced living within it.

Contemporary network culture is a very recent phenomenon. Perhaps we forget how fast things have changed and what seemed odd or futuristic to many until only a few years ago is now commonplace. There is a turbulence associated with that rate of change.

Varnelis&#039;s piece attempts to connect artists practice with digital networks with examples of practice from a more mainstream art world (you can&#039;t get more mainstream in the UK than the work of a Turner Prize winner). To some degree this approach is illuminating, allowing some novel connections to be made. Zittel and Auerbach&#039;s work sits interestingly alongside Halley&#039;s or Estes&#039;s. It is also clear that mainstream arts practice of the early post-modern period (1960-1980) was an influence on many artists who were associated with the 1990&#039;s emergence of art practices situated within a networked cultural context.

However, it is important to remember that many of those artists chose to work with digital and communications systems in large part because they were disillusioned with the mainstream artworld. Here I am not talking about art practices but the artworld itself. These artists sought out of a parallel system that would allow practitioners to work, communicate and facilitate new audiences without the mediation of the institutional framework the artworld was/is composed of. This activity is traceable to earlier examples, some of which explicitly join up, with practitioners associated with artist run initiatives like The Kitchen and Film-makers Coop in New York or London Video Arts and Film-makers Coop in the UK (amongst many other activities around the World during the 1960&#039;s and 70&#039;s) being part of the development of the prototype digital and networked culture of the 1980&#039;s which Shulgin, Bunting and many others are associated with. This is arguably a stronger lineage of historical precedent than that which connects Peter Halley to Josh On and in this sense Varnelis&#039;s piece risks being revisionist. But it can be hard to establish new historical connections without taking such a risk.

However, as was pointed out in the first paragraph above, nothing is linear or simple. Whilst many of the artists associated with net.art and similar activities did seek alternate models to the dominant artworld market model others sought to play with it and turn the system to their own advantage. Vuk Cosic is an example here, his provocations and interventions functioning as both critique of the dominance of market thinking in the creative arts and an attempt to grab some of the associated limelight. He played this double edged sword with some skill. It is perhaps too early to evaluate whether Shulgin&#039;s more recent work with easy to consume electronic multiples is as clever and destabilising as Cosic&#039;s practices (he made sense of what he was doing by Oretiring young) or whether he risks repeating the failures of Kasemir Malevich, the Suprematist Shulgin parodied in his Oform artworks, who, after a blazing period of creativity retreated into politically-correct folk-art.

To me this sort of art-historical connection evidences a &quot;born digital&quot; art criticism which Varnelis&#039;s essay perhaps fails to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayles concept of &#8220;born digital is useful in contextualising what Jodi might have meant when they spoke of &#8220;net.artists living on the net&#8221;. Prior to a certain point in time artists working with computers and associated communications technologies came to this practice from other media, employing frameworks and criteria imported from other contexts. At some point this changed and a generation of artists emerged who had always worked with digital and networked media. This didn&#8217;t happen in a simple linear manner. Nor did developments occur at the same time, or in the same way, for the various aspects of what are now, but what were not previously, related media (computers and telecommuniciations only got substantially together in the 1980&#8217;s).</p>
<p>There were a small number of artists working in the 1970&#8217;s who started out in their practice using digital systems, even a few in the 1960&#8217;s. There were, similarly, a small number of artists who emerged in the 80&#8217;s who were using networks from the start. Bunting is an example of this ­although his early network practices did not engage the internet but telephone networks. Paul Sermon is another (very different) example. However, the emergence of a generation of network savvy artists, with a culture attached, didn&#8217;t begin until well into the 1990&#8217;s. The associated buzz, involving the engagement of theorists and cultural commentators, intensified after that time. In this sense I&#8217;d assess Varnelis&#8217;s observation that these technologies &#8220;cultural implications (were) confined to niche realms for enthusiasts&#8221; more or less correct ­ although I¹d move the dates back a little to the early 90&#8217;s or even the late 1980&#8217;s and identify 1993 as they key year in terms of impact, when the first web browser (Mosaic) became publicly available.</p>
<p>There were a series of events and developments, in the late 1980&#8217;s, when the key players in what was to emerge in the 1990¹s, with net.art and related practices, started to meet, communicate directly with one another and inform each other&#8217;s work. It is no accident that many of these people were Eastern or Central European or were based in what had been cold-war border cities, like Berlin and Ljubljana. A few of these artists did replay historical tropes. Shulgin&#8217;s playful refigurings of Suprematism is an example, although as much concerned with developing a commentary on his personal sense of national heritage at a time of social turbulence, post 1989, than formal art-historical deconstruction. It can be argued that the emergence of new medialities and formal frameworks are often associated with artists revisiting the past. Picasso&#8217;s confluence of Cubism and African art is perhaps an example. Again, it would be dangerous to consider this as simply or even primarily formal aesthetic experiment. Picasso, like Shulgin, lived in a social and political context and he drew inspiration from the excitement and conflict he experienced living within it.</p>
<p>Contemporary network culture is a very recent phenomenon. Perhaps we forget how fast things have changed and what seemed odd or futuristic to many until only a few years ago is now commonplace. There is a turbulence associated with that rate of change.</p>
<p>Varnelis&#8217;s piece attempts to connect artists practice with digital networks with examples of practice from a more mainstream art world (you can&#8217;t get more mainstream in the UK than the work of a Turner Prize winner). To some degree this approach is illuminating, allowing some novel connections to be made. Zittel and Auerbach&#8217;s work sits interestingly alongside Halley&#8217;s or Estes&#8217;s. It is also clear that mainstream arts practice of the early post-modern period (1960-1980) was an influence on many artists who were associated with the 1990&#8217;s emergence of art practices situated within a networked cultural context.</p>
<p>However, it is important to remember that many of those artists chose to work with digital and communications systems in large part because they were disillusioned with the mainstream artworld. Here I am not talking about art practices but the artworld itself. These artists sought out of a parallel system that would allow practitioners to work, communicate and facilitate new audiences without the mediation of the institutional framework the artworld was/is composed of. This activity is traceable to earlier examples, some of which explicitly join up, with practitioners associated with artist run initiatives like The Kitchen and Film-makers Coop in New York or London Video Arts and Film-makers Coop in the UK (amongst many other activities around the World during the 1960&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s) being part of the development of the prototype digital and networked culture of the 1980&#8217;s which Shulgin, Bunting and many others are associated with. This is arguably a stronger lineage of historical precedent than that which connects Peter Halley to Josh On and in this sense Varnelis&#8217;s piece risks being revisionist. But it can be hard to establish new historical connections without taking such a risk.</p>
<p>However, as was pointed out in the first paragraph above, nothing is linear or simple. Whilst many of the artists associated with net.art and similar activities did seek alternate models to the dominant artworld market model others sought to play with it and turn the system to their own advantage. Vuk Cosic is an example here, his provocations and interventions functioning as both critique of the dominance of market thinking in the creative arts and an attempt to grab some of the associated limelight. He played this double edged sword with some skill. It is perhaps too early to evaluate whether Shulgin&#8217;s more recent work with easy to consume electronic multiples is as clever and destabilising as Cosic&#8217;s practices (he made sense of what he was doing by Oretiring young) or whether he risks repeating the failures of Kasemir Malevich, the Suprematist Shulgin parodied in his Oform artworks, who, after a blazing period of creativity retreated into politically-correct folk-art.</p>
<p>To me this sort of art-historical connection evidences a &#8220;born digital&#8221; art criticism which Varnelis&#8217;s essay perhaps fails to do.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by Carolyn Guertin</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Guertin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-64</guid>
		<description>But Duchamp did NOT sign it. The urinal was sent to him signed -- probably by Baroness Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven -- as a commentary on his art practice. The fact that Duchamp exhibited it, but never gave the Baroness (or someone else if it wasn&#039;t her) credit tells us more the devaluation of women artists and about patriarchal power structures in his day than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Duchamp did NOT sign it. The urinal was sent to him signed &#8212; probably by Baroness Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven &#8212; as a commentary on his art practice. The fact that Duchamp exhibited it, but never gave the Baroness (or someone else if it wasn&#8217;t her) credit tells us more the devaluation of women artists and about patriarchal power structures in his day than anything.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Immediated Now: Network Culture and the Poetics of Reality by Bruce Sterling</title>
		<link>http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/the-immediated-now-network-culture-and-the-poetics-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://varnelis.networkedbook.org/?p=19#comment-7</guid>
		<description>Wow!  I&#039;d pay good money for &quot;a new poetics of the real&quot; that is &quot;distinct from existing models of realism.&quot;

Offering to &quot;pay good money&quot; is kind of a &quot;bourgeois rise to power&quot; gesture, however, so I&#039;ll have to settle for making this affirmative social-media comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I&#8217;d pay good money for &#8220;a new poetics of the real&#8221; that is &#8220;distinct from existing models of realism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Offering to &#8220;pay good money&#8221; is kind of a &#8220;bourgeois rise to power&#8221; gesture, however, so I&#8217;ll have to settle for making this affirmative social-media comment.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
